Is passthrough killing off titty slapping, spanking, caressing, hardcore, etc?

alphaRonaldo

I've felt this happening for a long while but haven't noticed anyone pointing it out.
Any SLRO or VRSpy scene has it where there's this sorta tension in the air for the guy not to interact/touch the girl directly. A no go to begin with.
How is the guy asked to do doggy/mish/standing-mish without getting a hold of her, especially considering hardcore aspects?
And positions such as standing mish are not present in SLRO catalogue itself as the guy is "too handsy". How else is this position supposed to be performed without the guy holding her?

Sortcore or intimate aspects are affected too. There's little to no caressing, holding her by the chin or neck, none of it.

Are we moving towards vr porn without any titty slapping, spanking, caressing, hardcore sex, fingering, etc?
I have no idea what the solution is, but it is slowly killing off sections/elements of porn on the vr scene.

To this, I had posted this on a littlecapricevr video and people did seem to agree:

To the commenters asking for the guy to be hands-off throughout the video, you are the sole reason why titty slapping, spanking, caressing, hardcore sex, femdom, etc is dead on arrival on vr.
Not everything revolves around passthrough. There are many of us who don't watch passthrough videos at all. Yet you have dedicated passthrough videos, ai passthrough on regular videos, passthrough on cams.
Have the courtesy to allow others to enjoy vr content as well.

@littlecapricevr has been considerate enough to understand this and has kept it balanced on her vids. Yet so many comments keep pestering her to go hands-off when she's explained this multiple times.

SchnuppiLilac

alphaRonaldo Indeed, male performer arms/hands can become an issue as soon as you switch on AI PT. However, I think the “too handsy” comments were there long before AI PT. I understand “too handsy” already crosses the immersion-breaking line in regular VR for many — a line beyond which they start feeling like they’re watching another guy instead of being that guy. So I think PT is not to blame for this development. And I think it's not just SLRO and VRSpy because I hardly notice any scenes from other major studios with male nullspace when watching them in AI PT.

alphaRonaldo

SchnuppiLilac I can't comment much on what numbers would belong to non-pt users as SLR has a decently good ai-pt model, much better than other studios or platforms. And some platforms do not offer ai-pt at all. That might skew the number of users in one way or another on SLR specifically.
I personally might as well not like the male presence at all in vr videos. But the elements mentioned(caressing, hardcore, etc) cannot be achieved without some aspect where the male interacts with the model. There's also aspects like sound from spanks or from titty slapping. It just can't be achieved without another person interacting. VR allows for these experiences and not seeing them gets disapponting.

All in, I have seen evidence where SLR brings pt elements to regular vr. Take for example the "close-up" segment on SLRO where the girl lies on the bed. Normally other studios would have the male model be there instead of the bed.
Or when the guy is standing in close-up mish instead of on all 4 limbs so as not to interfere with ai-pt. Only when the director is new do we see it being different. Like here in VRAIN directed Carolina Guerrero scene Jailbreak Seduction: They'll Do Anything to Get Out where he is on all 4 limbs in close-up mish.
Or when in other positions or close-up mish by other studios, the guy does hold her by her neck and makes corrections like if she isn't positioned correctly or isn't kissing to the cam in the right spot. The director can't always be watching to make these corrections.
Other platform studios do it too to an extent. Just that on SLR, this is what I noticed.

stustustustu

I am one of the “too handsy” complainers going back to early VR porn. How am I supposed to stare at the nice boobs in my face when for half the scene I'm just looking at some guys hands.

alphaRonaldo

stustustustu Yet you are okay with seeing some guy's body and his dick for the entire session if going by non-pt aspect. Sorry, I don't mean to offend but there certainly is an aspect of the male pov that you are okay with.

And it's not 100% of the time that you see such interactions. It's more like 5-10%.

stustustustu

The guys body isn't blocking the view, And the percentage of how much it is varies between studios and male talent, there are some scenes where the guys hands are in front of the camera for most of it.

n0den

the main goal of a passthrough scene is to push realism to the maximum to have the impression that the girl is really in the room only with you and the hands of another guy are like an intruder who would come and absolutely ruin all possible immersion I only watch passthrough scenes and I would never want to see that personally, the objective is to satisfy everyone and for that there are tons of VR scenes in which the guy is free to touch excessively and do what he wants there is no shortage and we should not mix everything up in my opinion.

dolphin7559

n0den strangely, passthrough has the exact opposite effect for me and hands don't bother me unless they are really excessively used

alphaRonaldo

n0den I get your view.
Excessive hand use is also an extreme we don't want in regular vr. Balanced usage generally works.
What becomes an issue is especially for some of the larger channels, such balanced use is constantly pointed and grouped with excessive usage. It comes to a point of either no hands or hands, which isn't helping at all.
And larger channels in their constant need to simplify workflows and seeing such persistent comments will choose one way or another instead of choosing the middle ground.

alphaRonaldo

stustustustu Fair enough.