Why do you guys have a lifetime subscription?

doublevr

VSaucy123 thx for checking. It's a great marketing tool. Sells above what a regular user would spend with a monthly sub.

The whole idea is to greatly scale economy

sadentech

VSaucy123 Don't even think SLR will be around for ever, and don't think the service will be the same. Just a week ago SLR disabled a lot of toys, support won't help them and just asks them to enjoy the video's without their toys.

Just an observation. In the long run perpetual licenses/subscriptions don't make sense and get revoked left and right. Just look on the internet.

doublevr

sadentech no toys disabled rather then corner cases affecting less than 0,1% of SLR sex toy users

harigeharry

Well I can only speak for myself but when taking a lifetime (I have several, one here on SLR but also on a few other sites), I take them in the hope that those websites flourish, I want to help them to be succesful, because I really like what they're doing. And yeah it then feels like a kick in the balls when they take features away (like HBR here on SLR and download option on vrbangers). But I'm happy that at least HBR is coming back!

sadentech

harigeharry I also want them to flourish, the content is good, but if you get a lifetime sub with scripts, and they take that away for the toy that you have, I get it when it feels like several kicks in the face.

They can revert that but they just won't. That is just shitty customer service.

harigeharry

Yeah that indeed sucks. And honestly i don't know if i will take lifetime ever again at other websites. The great thing about a subscription is that you can just 'vote with your money' and stop the subscription if they do things like that. With lifetime you don't have that option.

fenderwq

doublevr Well I bought a Funsr1 for VR and now it's pretty much useless, not even a mention in the DeoVR release notes. Had to troubleshoot for hours only to find out it was sneaked into the update.

Basically means, a couple of hundred euros down the drain on my part. Getting a bit sick of hearing everything I bought my subscription for is only "used by only x% of users so it's okay to remove it somehow".

sogman

fenderwq yeah it sucks. I think it may be also a case of, you gotta back up and look at the big picture. Shitty stagnant economy means less users, means less income for the site, and its takes money to run thing. For you is "just let the feature persist" but in SLR teck back room of guys working sweating their asses off, that might mean one less guy who can update said software and make sure it works with the newwest version of this and that software/hardware. Shitty economy but theres this thought that things should maintain. Like at some point if you dont have income for growth, you can at least 'shift things around' (what your seeing) to benefit the 95% instead of the 5%. That way, even though there are cutbacks in some areas, there are doors opened in other areas. Keep that in mind, and instead of looking at things that have been cut out or cut back in SLR, how about realize all the improvements that have been added ... honestly without really increasing your subscription cost.

At some point you have to either pay more for your sub, or you get something new but something old must be taken out. Cant get it all. Its kinda like any other service in life honesy. Also, to answer OP original question: I have lifetime because I believed at the time it was good value. That may change in time, but for now I still believe that is good value for the money. I have life w/scripts.

eyelust

I just like the idea of paying once, I also don’t feel the need to binge watch if I have a lifetime subscription.

quest2mfp

eyelust That's fine, I get that, when I signed up also looked at the lifetime, but didn't get that one, and that saved me several hundred dollars that I would otherwise have lost by now.

netcat

sogman I hear ya. The reason a lot of folks are upset here is because the cutbacks that are happening here are to enable something ('secure scripting'), that provides no benefits to users, arguably to solve a problem that doesn't even exist. Similar with the script limit rollouts.
Wouldn't this time have been better spent on features that makes SLR a more compelling platform? There is so much exciting work that can be done, the potential for so much innovation....
Instead, we ens***fy what worked well, in pursuit of building a moat to safeguard from a business risk that doesn't really exist.

doublevr

netcat that solves your problems you don't yet know.

While you only care about your home we are investing in your neighborhood to maintain utilities you don't even think

sogman

Oh definitely yes. I guess there is a mix of discussion on this one, cause fender is talking about his hardware not working properly .. or at all. And some others including OP are talking about subscription costs etc. My response was sort ofa blend. Yeah its pretty clear they want you to only be able to use their product.. this new toy they are making. Probably in time it will be the only one they allow.

With POVR, VRP, and all the other sides around, and new ones popping up.... why would I pay $150 on a toy that I can only use on one website. lol. Thats just... not gonna happen. But my one opinion does not matter, cause nobody in their right mind would do that. SLR would plan on 5 people signing up for that and then have a party when it turns out 10 people sign up. Meanwhile, Im off to the other countless sites that offer more and allow multiple toys to be used. Not sure if im answering your response, but im definitely not disagreeing with you. I like SLR as Im writing this, but Im no slave. I can leave anytime. I always say, its just fantasy videos. At the end of the day Im fine to even go back to the stone age and watching videos on my phone lol. Lot less set up and trouble too, SLR is always geeking out over weird things that ... yeah only benefit them.

netcat

I have an open mind - would love to understand the piece I'm not seeing.
If you look into the details in my earlier posts, you'll see I don't just care about my home. I want to see the entire ecosystem flourish. I want to see SLR succeed.
But most of all, I want to see innovation, and the limits of this medium pushed forward. The line between reality and adult vr entertainment blur, and disappear. This is why I bought the life subscription - because I believe SLR has the vision and passion to make this happen.

Looking at this last decision, I see SLR's most immersive capabilities (OSR multi axis/MFP compatibility) being taken away. Not only a face slap for your most avid users, but a big step back in innovation.

But as you said, there are things I just don't know. Perhaps months from now we'll be surprised at how far SLR has come and see what has happened here in a different light. That would be a good outcome.
But until then, we're siting here with devices we can't use, frustrated, with no good alternatives.

doublevr

netcat we can do multi axis even better in future iterations.
Mfp used unauthorized hack to connect to slr infrastructure that we fixed to secure the platform and scripts. There were very few users using it, while intensively.

thatoculusdude

netcat put your money where your mouth is, my man! Go to the EroScripts forum and commission some scripts that suit your needs! I'm both a lifetime user here (and other VR sites) and I also pay 100-200 USD from time to time to commission exclusive and obscure scripts that SLR can't or won't generate. Have I ever complained to SLR? Nah. I have a Handy 1 and Handy 2 for SLR and just... IDK, enjoy the service for what it is 🤷

netcat

doublevr MFP did a lot more then multi-axis. Even for single axis, it provided a much better experience. I'd suggest booting it up and playing around with it a bit to see its capabilities firsthand, but here are a few of the most important ones:

Dynamic speed limiting. This is critical as it gives you control over the pace of the toy. It lets you enjoy videos and segments that would otherwise be too fast paced. DeoVR only provides static upper/lower limit configurations (which you need as well). But dynamic speed limiting enables the toy to go back to full range of motion when the pace slows down.
Hotkey profiles. You set multiple profiles at different intensity levels. Similar to DeoVR's edging mode, but as many as you want with more configuration options.
Multi-axis interpolation. Ads movement to other axis as a function of the movement in the current axis, and/or mixed with random movements. A big add when using a multi-axis device with a single axis script.

(1) and (2) apply to single axis devices too - they worked far better in MFP than in native DeoVR.

quest2mfp

doublevr
There were very few users using it, while intensively.

So is it's about intensity or piracy?

MFP is maybe using a hack, but we all pay for the service as normal, and over on eroscripts you yourself supported it before.

quest2mfp

thatoculusdude I think you are missing the point there, I signed up here for a year with unlimited scripts to use it with my toy, after a few weeks into the sub that option got disabled.

I have no other way to get to get the toy connected again. Not via MFP, not via direct connection not via BLE. Nada.
They are changing the rules in a running contract.

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