Upcoming price and download limit change

Doublevr is definitely not into demagoguery lol; Well, everyone has their own way of expressing themselves and it’s not necessarily pleasant; but what seems important to me is is slr worth it: I say yes, even though I never do streaming and only downloads; but it is true that I am also a lifetime subscriber to wankz, virtualtaboo, vrporn and that I subscribe for a month from time to time to czech and naughty américa: and I download and download but overall not that much because I limit to a few hard drives (to limit greed lol!)

sylvan He's probably not the customer-facing type. But he's definitely sold me on never buying a lifetime membership for now with all the changes that are never for the better. The human-generated scripts were the differentiator for me, but now that scripts are increasingly restricted to streaming, and increasingly AI-generated, that selling point is diminishing.

@doublevr So I ask again: What do LT get in return for paying way more on their LT subscription?

We are talking about a difference of $400 and that better come with more free (AI) scripts monthly

mueslee So I ask again: What do LT get in return for paying way more on their LT subscription?

Permanent access to the site.

Only take 4 1/3 years for the Lifetime sub to cost less per year than the annual sub. Over 10 years that goes down to less than half the price per year. And so on.

Hairsational If the current trend of better studios leaving SLR (and pulling their content)

Well, RealityLovers and SwallowBay are the only ones I can think of that you might be referring to, unless you're just being hyperbolic.

Meanwhile we've picked up VRSpy, VRMassaged, PornCornVR, VRPlayful, and quite a few others within the past 6 months alone, many of which have been enormously popular, so

Hairsational

Hairsational VR Bangers, VR Conk, Dezyred, VRB Gay, VRB Trans

Also all labels from the same producer...and they left well over a year ago. Not sure why you didn't mention that when you seem to dislike new studios from existing producers. Oh well.

You sound unhappy with the selection we have and the numerous new studios we've picked up, and tbh that's not really something i have the time or desire to try to change your mind on. We have plenty of new & existing users who appreciate them, which is pretty obvious from the response they've gotten. Sorry you're not a fan of them.

justsomedude101
I think your estimate is great. I have a complete different calculation is my head with heresphere and XBVR (not going back to DeoVR ever) but it evens up after 4-5 years.

So I'm not complaining about the deal regarding LT vs monthly.

I'm specifically complain about getting a kick in the balls for risking more money early. "Permanent access to the site" is true for new and old LT subscribers.

You often name new features "fair usage" and so on. Where is the fair deal here to be had?

doublevr

Baby steps for me. At least I'm not writing paragraphs any more

justsomedude101 Drinking a little less kool-aid will help

Hairsational Drinking a little less kool-aid will help

You've never had the SLR Fruit Punch koolaid

Wild idea for a fair download limit system, which rewards loyalty and deters abuse - the longer you sub, the more you can download per month. So if you're brand new, you get say 10 downloads, but in the second month it goes up to 20, then 30, and so on, until the maximum is reached after maybe 6 months. If you leave then return, your download limit resets.

vrpicasso which rewards loyalty and deters abuse - the longer you sub, the more you can download per month

First of all, I think you shouldn't support the notion of paying subscribers abusing the site when using it in perfect compliance with the agreed conditions. Considering that the SLR download limits are already significantly lower than what competitors are allowing, it is not abuse to download within those limits.

Secondly, what was called 'misuse' is enabled by the fact that there are two ways of subscribing for just one month: A more expensive way that ends after 30 days or a cheaper one that can be cancelled by the subscriber before it renews for a second month. If you are offering the same thing for two different prices, don't blame the users for being smart. Blame yourself for even offering this option.

Thirdly, a monthly loyalty reward system doesn't make sense in an annual subscription since you have already signed up for an entire year. It would only make sense for the monthly recurring subscription. But why would you want to drive away the monthly subscriber segment (that has already decided against going annual at the price of a higher monthly rate) by further devaluating their subscriptions?

Moreover, loyal customers are not necessarily better customers. Some lifetime subscribers may think they own the place after having made their (admittedly substantial) one-time payment, while in the long run the money sustaining the business is coming from the not-so-smart people like myself repeatedly renewing their annual subscriptions.

I think the real reason behind SLR going against downloads is that it is a way to significantly reduce costs on their end. It was mentioned earlier that people may actually watch on average only like 20 % of a porn scene. For Netflix and the like, it makes no difference if you stream or download for offline use since their content is usually being watched from start to finish. But with porn scenes, 80 % of the downloaded data may go to the bin unwatched. And probably third party content providers will get the full payout for a downloaded scene while streaming payout is based on actual watch time. But as long as I am not a shareholder or on SLR's payroll, this is none of my concern and I will not accept being called names or demonized for my preference of downloading some scenes at the highest available quality before watching them.

The way forward clearly needs to be making subscribers stream voluntarily instead of dictating how to watch:

• Streaming-only features with benefits like AI PT will for sure shift the ratio towards streaming
• Rethink the logic behind bit rate/quality reduction for streaming files. I get it that 30 Mbps is the upper limit but why on earth is it necessary to reduce 50 Mbps scenes to 20 Mbps? Just reduce them to 30 Mbps like all the other scenes and I might stream some of them instead of downloading. Can't be that hard to change the workflow.
• Since the plan seems to be charging extra for additional downloads, think again what could be a reasonable price. 20 bucks for 50 downloads as indicated earlier? Come on! Your own market price for 50 downloads is like $5. If it's any higher than that, it would be cheaper to get a second SLR subscription to get more downloads, which would be as ridiculous as it sounds. But more likely, frequent downloaders would just get their second subscription from one of the competitors that offers even more downloads + exclusive content. So if you want to generate any revenue for SLR from additive download packages, the price needs to be clearly below $5 for 50.

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