I’ve recently set the default scaling zoom on my app to 0.80x and sharpening to 3%. A much better experience. I didn’t know you could do this. However now I see that the same studios consistently use the same scaling, while others try to compensate in video, while others use even more exotic scaling. My question though is, would it be possible to make the scaling an obviously visible parameter? Without having to find a scene time where the same actress performing for a different studio, has the same facial 3d shape for the same distance from camera and then adjust the zoom to correct. For example. 0.8x looks great on Slr and lust, The girls faces when coming in for a closeup look round and real, not flat and large, but deepinsex builds it into the video and looks good at 1.0x, giving the same effect but a little blockier. this requires changing zoom when switching between the studios. Is there not a better way? Secondly, the 0.8x scaling seems to be far more common in the industry, used by NA, Czech, a lot of jav. I can understand why, because resolution increases as you zoom out. But also requires the users to know this, whereas the deepinsex 1.0 is easier to use but lower resolution. This seems like a beta vs vhs thing which is unnecessary and could probably be resolved with just a little information. Lastly upping sharpness default really really helps with the 8k canon vids, and also helps to really make the softer vids pop. Wish I’d known a while back. Is there anything which can be done in UI? On a side note, is it possible to make playback speed persistent for the same vid like zoom?

seems like no one else has scaling issues? can this be true?

Well for me it’s not about the peripheral distortion because I’m not looking at it. I am even willing to tolerate the peripheral girls in group shots appearing larger so long as the focus girl looks correct. But irrespective of preference - Doublevr I suggest you make a calibration shot with the camera used at the beginning of every vid of a common curved object. (Like a colour matrix in photography to compensate Color but curved in 3d for vr, and every major scene change for the editors), Held at about a foot away, (golf ball? Or some branded Slr remote? A mascot or icon that can become recognisable ) This way both the crew and the viewers can have a repeatable way of easily setting the zoom for each vid to match their personal IPD and perspective. Over time you could even standardize all scenes for distance and camera zoom to achieve a consistency across shoots. And all viewers would be able to retain their relative zooms optimized for their heads geometry. I also think it definitely could be a quality parameter to differentiate. The always perfect scaling of Slr. Maybe the convention could even catch on or much later be prescribed. Just my thoughts.

Studios use different scaling. How could it be made obvious?

Sandi_SLR

ableman scaling deforms (check the walls) the image, maybe this breaks peoples immersion?

The playback issue is actually a bug, we will fix it.

vrpicasso

ableman You seem to suggest that the variations in scale are conscious decisions by the studios, but they are mostly down to the different cameras and lenses as well as post production workflow - the goal is always to produce a "realistic" scene but there is no way to measure this scientifically. The users all have different eyes / IPDs / headsets, etc so the best thing to do is provide feedback and hope they listen.

doublevr

ableman that's a good point. we should totally experiment with it.

I have a feeling there is still a great room for improvement how we get girls look cool in VR

vrpicasso

doublevr I think passthrough / AR will be a much better way to tell how accurate scaling and camera distances are. I expect viewers will be a lot more sensitive to realism when the girl is "in the room".

bleh

vrpicasso Scaling and camera position are my issues with passthrough. The camera is often not where your head should be to match up with the body.

vrpicasso

bleh at least it gives the viewer a more accurate guide as to how the model should appear, it just introduces that increased demand for perfection. I can't use passthrough yet as I'm with Heresphere, and TBH I don't have much interest until passthrough cameras are better - hopefully with the Quest 3.

Only thing is, I watch scenes at a desk, with the Handy clamped to it, so in most cases I can't see how a girl appearing to be where my PC / monitors are would increase immersion.

Hurto11

Zooming out warps the actual image and destroys the immersion. It LOOKS way better, way crisper, way higher resolution and more realistic...but it takes you out of the scene. It's more like watching a WebcamVR. Like, you're in the room with the model, but it doesn't feel like it's your body she's banging. I've found a happy medium of zooming out to like 0.95x..so it's a tad better quality but still feels immersive.

sportclimber

I find myself using 0.9 zoom most of the time. Rare that 1.0 gives the appropriate scale. While I will occasionally use 0.85 or 0.8, I have to then balance the improved scale vs. the creation of some deformation from the significant zoom.

SchnuppiLilac

Hardly ever had scaling issues in non-PT except with underscaling in some older Deepinsex vids. I think scale perception is very subjective. However, in PT with the external size reference, appropriate scaling is important.