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As a DeoVR product owner DLNA is my major concern.

We get multiple support requests that DLNA is not working properly that often follows with negative app reviews. In most cases we are not able to replicate any such issue. Because we rely on unique setup of each user so badly we are not able to make it work for everyone even if we would go for it.

Every day DLNA generates us support requests and negative reviews we are not able to address. We are experiencing a terrible staff shortage that makes it stressful for everyone and it only gets worse over time.

I feel all the frustration and I would like to keep the feature if there would be a chance for it. Please understand it's not sustainable for us any longer.

We have also removed DeoVR from iOS AppStore recently. And will pull Cardboard DeoVR from Google Play in coming weeks. We can't sustain some developments, just that.

    "Please understand it's not sustainable for us any longer."

    Please Clarify?

    I feel all the frustration and I would like to keep the feature if there would be a chance for it. Please understand it's not sustainable for us any longer.

    You would like to keep the feature but somehow wizards are casting spells forcing you to remove it. Unfortunately, there is "no chance for it".

    What a catastrophic mistake. Be better than @doublevr and rise above your own ego, and listen to your consumers.

    Admin edit: please don't make things personal

    Fortunado15 I'm starting to remove your derogatory posts. Next time you will be suspended for a week.

    Please find a way to express your frustration without calling things "lie" or "bullshit" with no due elaboration.

    And please refrain from making things personal.

      To address the matter: I'm really concerned some of our users won't be able to enjoy high resolution videos because of that and we will be looking into options.

      SLR was never short delivering cool tech.

      doublevr Nothing I said was derogatory or worthy of removal. I invite you to look internally to improve your personal customer service. All of the people you have hired for customer service are quite good. If you take the time and space to consider why you are downvoted over and over on reddit, perhaps you may learn some lessons there. I come at you with only respect. Best wishes with your endeavors.

      If you wish to delete my above comment along with my others...Well...That is telling. Everyone is hoping you can do better. Your staff doesn't want to clean up your mess either lol.

      Admin: Sorry, this kind of communication is not welcome.

      @Aesthetics Why is DeoVR going to become short staffed?

      Is there a loss of budget, or you are having trouble hiring people with the right skills?

      That comment was a surprize - I know a lot of developers dont want to work on pornography, but DeoVR has a much bigger market (for example streaming 3d movies which were released in theaters) - I personally would love to be working in VR tech. I have actually thought about tinkering a bit with DeoVR myself as a side project (full disclaimer, I was thinking about trying to make a converter which would make other sites native to the DeoVR player by tranforming their web data somehow)

      Anyway, I was really curious about this!

        catflap Is there a loss of budget, or you are having trouble hiring people with the right skills?

        There's HR crisis atm, especially for VR and the whole tech sector. Thought everyone knows it. Just read the news. We are hunting people all over the world and it was never that hard. Our salaries are on top of what market offers.

          Aesthetics Every day DLNA generates us support requests and negative reviews we are not able to address.

          Sorry but it's called running a business

          catflap Let me know where can we look for Unity, computer vision, data labeling, WebGL/WebXR, 3D UI/UX, php developers. Will be really appreciated.

          catflap trouble hiring people with the right skills?

          We are having hard times finding people that will be competent to join our team. It's a rare combination of skills of C# and Unity for Windows and Android development.

          We are actively hiring - hr@deovr.com

            LordCrash some boring big company ("blue chip") that has a big IT department working on meaningless internal projects - nothing with unity beyond fun stuff, but we do have C# and Android - If I wasnt staying anonymous on this forum I would ask Aesthetics if there was a referral bonus!!

              blaze466

              blaze466 I don't understand this thread.

              This doesn't affect me either as I use PC VR. However, I can still easily see why this decision has an awful impact on the experiences of the many people who do use DLNA. It's really quite simple. Deo VR is currently the only solution for those who use scripts with a standalone quest 2. That singular option has now been limited to streaming only - either that, or directly transfer content to the quest 2, which is incredibly cumbersome. Streaming only is not workable for a great many people. Even taking scripts out of the equation, many people signed up on the idea that they could just use the Deo VR/SLR app, as it is marketed thoroughly as an easy all in one solution. It's very weird to be wrenched from that all in one solution offered and suddenly being told to go find some other player, no suggestions, no nothing - just telling those who soon won't be able to make use of the subscriptions they're paying for to figure it out. That is not taking care of the customer at all. And it seems, from what I've read, that there wouldn't have been any warning at all if not for an accidental throwaway reddit comment by staff! That's horrendous. And no, just communicating this change better wouldn't have made everything fine.

              Regarding "the html solution", what is it? All I've seen mentioned are one liners about setting up a html webhost. How? Are people just meant to google and bang their heads against a wall for days until they possibly figure it out (or don't), because a service they subscribed to suddenly dropped a critical feature? Know-how of html webhosts and how to set them up shouldn't be assumed knowledge. If this was required knowledge for everyone getting into VR, VR would never have gotten off the ground. Deo VR and SLR are geared towards making things accessible and easier for the user. The Deo VR/SLR app is constantly advertised as the all in one solution, which is great for all those out there without a high level of technical knowledge. Now all those people who relied on DLNA and came to SLR for an easy to use experience are being told to just go set up a html webhost. That is a very poor customer experience for those people - ESPECIALLY those who bought the lifetime subscription. Things like this make people very wary about going lifetime. Now there is more to worry about than videos being taken down for compliance issues, or due to disagreements with studios, server issues, etc. Now people need to consider the possibility of SLR/Deo VR making decisions that completely cripple their ability to use the service they're paying for, unless they learn to set up a pretty technical solution.

              It is true that every company has to balance resources and make business decisions based off of them, but that is a blanket statement that any business can use for almost any decision, ill considered or not. It is not sufficient explanation for the removal of a feature so critical to many.

              While SLR have made their thoughts clear, it seems the driving force behind this is Deo VR itself. It seems the main reason was DLNA being too difficult to maintain, which happened to fit in with how SLR saw the app/service. It wasn't something deliberately cut out in an attempt to allow innovation to flourish.

              Innovation and feature maintenance are not mutually exclusive - both can exist in the same space. While resources are always limited, it seems clear from the outcry that DLNA was not the feature to drop. I'm pretty sure if anything, people wanted local streaming improved? There have been mass requests for Deo VR to incorporate SMB for years! If there were mass calls to improve local streaming for years, why would it be considered acceptable to the userbase to drop the feature entirely? It seems to me that those limited business resources could have been better distributed. I read something from the Deo VR dev regarding them feeling unable to tell staff to work on something other than the UI? That certainly seemed odd. And the whole thing is odd when we do look at the alternatives who can implement local streaming so well, with much less resources at their disposal. Why can they do it so much better?

              I note the request for people to not try to speak for the entire customer base, that's fair. However, look at the responses on this forum. There is mass outcry and from the links posted here there is a similar sentiment on reddit. Yours is the only non staff comment I've seen that defends the decision, and it's quite telling that the only positive comment I could find online was from someone who this doesn't affect. All opinions should be heard, but speaking as someone else who killing DLNA doesn't affect, I think it's fair to say that the general consensus is clear.

                blaze466 Exactly, which requires resource decisions.

                Unless this is a pandemic issue, a plan on adding the resources necessary to maintain/better the app should have been in place way in advance.. Don't want to get into shit talking another business on a porn forum but to me that won't add up sorry..

                blaze466 I don't use scripts and can maybe see argument for that. But, do they not work now? Does the html solution not work? (I truly don't know, so would love hear)

                Then this won't affect you. The key issue here is the barrier this creates for running scripts.. DEOVR was the only app for the Q2 that runs scripts.. The infrastructure to run high end 6-8K via streaming is not even commonplace for most at least in the states.. A majority of users can't or don't have the internet to run scripts with 6-8K videos via streaming without drops.. Drops ruin the immersion and the appeal of said scripts.. Said scripts are the main reason and selling point I and many others paid to sub here. Now I and other Q2 users will no longer be able to run those scripts the way they were intended to run.. Now I am subbed to a site where when I signed up they offered (in the terms scripts) streaming and local playback of scripts. Now I and other Q2 users have to jump through hoops to get those scripts running without drops.. When dlna via the deo or slr app neatly and easily fixed that issue..

                When I signed on, SLR offered 50 downloads every 72 hrs, a player with local and streaming play capabilities, and a full unaltered catalog.. A few months later my downloads drop to 30 every 72 hrs, videos being altered or removed without 100% transparency on when or what was being altered/removed, and now the apps being downgraded and dlna being dropped. To say I'm disappointed in my purchase atm and the future/vision of SLR in terms of customer service would be a huge understatement.